tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post7843164319093109048..comments2023-10-25T02:18:43.690-07:00Comments on Contend Earnestly: 10 Steps to Become a Legalist: Step 4Seth McBeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-26505063919054293792008-07-07T21:41:00.000-07:002008-07-07T21:41:00.000-07:00Some pertinant info to consider when deciding whic...Some pertinant info to consider when deciding which way to go. <BR/><BR/>Click on title of this post, or cut & paste:<BR/>http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=61206223833Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-6676712019289737182008-03-24T16:40:00.000-07:002008-03-24T16:40:00.000-07:00R.D.: Thanks for stopping by, and you are correct....<B>R.D.:</B> Thanks for stopping by, and you are correct...I pray that we would be faithful for the conviction that God has given to all of us in schooling our children. <BR/><BR/><B>Dom:</B> glad to see you around...although you should be taking care of your wife ;). Hope the new baby is doing well. I would have to agree in part with Pastor David (poop is emergent too) as that we must understand that we are the light for the world and that would include our children. I would think that you being reformed would understand this more than someone like myself who is not a covenantalist. But, I do understand what you mean as well. When sending a child to public school, one must be ready to be very much on top of what is going on. <BR/><BR/><B>Arthur:</B> I always love to hear from you, so thank you. I agree that as long as someone understands that schooling is the choice of the parent and not the choice of the Bible, then I am fine. As far as your wording that it is hard to find reasons in the Bible to public school your children, that isn't too difficult. We are to be in the world not taken out of it. We are to be lights to the world, etc. Jesus even went to the crazies at the temple at the age of 12 to speak with the authorities in religion. Now, I am not saying my sons will be Jesus, but he sets a pretty good example in this. <BR/><BR/><B>Dave (Poop is Emergent):</B> I like your questions that you have posed, but your legalistic side on public schooling is peaking it's head out :). Don't worry, I get this way too, and have to constantly check myself. But, know that your statements are well meant and well put. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for all your input guys. Keep it coming. <BR/><BR/>By the way...reallyrobins...I would have expected more from you than correcting my public schooling...:)Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-756024762412992662008-03-24T09:08:00.000-07:002008-03-24T09:08:00.000-07:00Bnonn: So you keep them home...and wait? At what ...Bnonn: So you keep them home...and wait? At what age is a child expected to be light in the world? Keep in mind (perhaps you can teach it to your kids) That the concept of childhood is rather modern, and beyond that there is not age limit of the phrase "you are the light of the world..." Further, my children do not belong to me, they belong to God to use how he would see fit. Your concept that a child can not be expected to be light is counter to logic (I have an 8 year old and a 4 year old who are both great little witnesses)it is counter to scripture. If a child is not in fact saved as you suggest then it would be demonstrated by their lack of "being a light" as this is a statement and not a command "you are the light of the world," Jesus is stating a fact about all who know him. The command is not to hide the light. You are not raising a child to follow Jesus if you are not in fact raising them to be missional.<BR/><BR/>Arthur: You said "It is pretty hard to make a Biblical case for sending kids somewhere to be educated where the God they worship on Sunday is denied or mocked."...<BR/><BR/>No it's not. It's not at all. Unless you somehow deny that God has left his children is exactly such a world. Think about it, what is it we do on earth better than we could in heaven? Unless God for his glory has chosen to put us in exactly such a situation as you describe. <BR/><BR/>Beyond that: What about Daniel, as Seth has mentioned? Or Esther?<BR/><BR/>DPoop is Emergent Toohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415753642256577052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-39093749544932421962008-03-22T16:58:00.000-07:002008-03-22T16:58:00.000-07:00In the spirit of these posts, it is true that ther...In the spirit of these posts, it is true that there are some that are dogmatic about homeschooling not for the Kingdom's sake, but simply for the sake of homeschooling. Homeschooling becomes a badge, a holier than thou issue. But those folks are the exception, rather than the rule. Most homeschooling parents do so because they believe it is best for their children, and the most honoring to God.It is pretty hard to make a Biblical case for sending kids somewhere to be educated where the God they worship on Sunday is denied or mocked. There are plenty of fine, Christian public school teachers but the system itself is the problem.Arthur Sidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-24560655981722658212008-03-20T23:14:00.000-07:002008-03-20T23:14:00.000-07:00Hey Seth. I agree that it is absurd to say that ev...Hey Seth. I agree that it is absurd to say that everyone should homeschool—but I would also say that it is absurd to expect a child to be "a light to the world". Expecting a ten year old to witness in such a situation seems to me quite unrealistic, not a little exploitative, and ultimately irresponsible parenting. How do you know that your child is saved at that age? How do you know that you have educated him well enough in the faith that he will be a light to others, rather than having that light extinguished by others? How do you know he won't just be an obnoxious self-righteous git who turns all the students off Christianity?<BR/><BR/>People may have good reasons for sending their kids to public schools, but I don't think that can be one of them.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>BnonnDominic Bnonn Tennanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03103838704540924679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-64855163277232352782008-03-20T20:40:00.000-07:002008-03-20T20:40:00.000-07:00This whole post doesn't count for anything because...This whole post doesn't count for anything because it wasn't written between 7AM and 3PM! ;-)Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15247931388571709086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-5840753603167035972008-03-20T18:46:00.000-07:002008-03-20T18:46:00.000-07:00It's ado.It's ado.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-41805198039831689962008-03-20T05:57:00.000-07:002008-03-20T05:57:00.000-07:00Made me snort! Though being Pagan and a homeschool...Made me snort! Though being Pagan and a homeschooler I guess we're damned either way! LOLAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12688001835525548776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-91168007985050600612008-03-19T22:20:00.000-07:002008-03-19T22:20:00.000-07:00I'm way more dangerous to my kids at home than the...I'm way more dangerous to my kids at home than the government schools re to them. You see, the gov. schools claim to reject God, and then act like it. I claim to love God and His Word,and then act like I don't. It's only by the grace of God that any of them make it to age 5 alive, much less make it to Heaven. As far as our schooling philosophy, we give them whatever type of schooling is most convenient for our family. Scripture does not tell us that one way or the other will commend you to God. God's measuring stick is not success but faithfulness. Thanks for the post.Rob Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893938431904825170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-8538069799727258322008-03-19T10:25:00.000-07:002008-03-19T10:25:00.000-07:00I'll answer to either...my wife calls me Dave, and...I'll answer to either...my wife calls me Dave, and others call me Pdavidy (my raps name combining pastor and dave in honor of Pdiddy...)But poop is livable...only in this context!Poop is Emergent Toohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415753642256577052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-26701631686016473602008-03-19T09:35:00.000-07:002008-03-19T09:35:00.000-07:00David...Good pointsPoop (D?)..sorry brother...your...David...Good points<BR/><BR/>Poop (D?)..sorry brother...your name is poop until I get more info...:)<BR/><BR/>It is funny when the homeschool kids let you mess with them. I think the only way that they allow this in my situation is cause I make fun of us public school kids just as much. <BR/><BR/>It is good that everyone can see that I was trying to draw out the legalist in us all with this post and looks like so far everyone is having fun with it...still waiting for the lashing though...I am sure it will happen.Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-987255896424140292008-03-19T09:18:00.000-07:002008-03-19T09:18:00.000-07:00Hmmm...My comment disappeared so here goes again:T...Hmmm...My comment disappeared so here goes again:<BR/><BR/>This is a hilarious post! We would tend to be the public school legalist :) My wife teaches in a public school, I coach in one, my daughter attends one...but the funny thing is that even though this is true, in our church we have several home schooled kids (who are now adults)..that are just of amazing value to the kingdom. They even allow me to tease them! So it is all good.Poop is Emergent Toohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415753642256577052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-54111875478344822132008-03-19T08:58:00.000-07:002008-03-19T08:58:00.000-07:00Seth,Good stuff. Being a Christian public school ...Seth,<BR/><BR/>Good stuff. Being a Christian public school teacher for twelve years I have heard everything you wrote about from both sides. I agree public schools have many many issues but so do other "institutes" of learning. In fact last Wednesday night after church I was in a conversation with someone who believes that home schooling is the only way to go. They mention the godlessness in public schools as a reason to abandon them. I mentioned to her that here in the state of Oklahoma it is law that each public school start or end each day with a moment of silence to pray or engage in other silent acitvities. What is interesting is that the hour that the school I teach in has this moment of silence there is not one student out of the twenty-seven that I have during that time that prays. Not one. The problem of prayer in or out of schools is not solely with the school, it lies manly with the kids and their parents. In reality most don't care if prayer is in school or not by their decision not to pray.<BR/><BR/>What I find interesting is that those who use the Deuteronomy passage you referenced against sending their kids to public schools won't use it to keep their kids out of a Sunday School class or a Children's Church program that is not taught by that kids father.<BR/><BR/>As I said earlier there are many many problems in public schools but God put me there as a light to those in darkness. I will obey His desires as I want those who educate their kids at home or in private schools to do.David Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627170998485669008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-10749901818657644092008-03-19T07:40:00.000-07:002008-03-19T07:40:00.000-07:00I agree, if you send your kid to public school the...I agree, if you send your kid to public school they won't be able to pray.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com