tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post1989123902730237688..comments2023-10-25T02:18:43.690-07:00Comments on Contend Earnestly: Should I Public School My Kids?Seth McBeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-79701947561456201372010-06-25T13:41:24.529-07:002010-06-25T13:41:24.529-07:00You are fucking insane.You are fucking insane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-49904383650972686892009-06-17T20:54:22.936-07:002009-06-17T20:54:22.936-07:00Seth,
I've enjoyed your posts.
I tell my chu...Seth,<br /><br />I've enjoyed your posts.<br /><br />I tell my church parents that as a youth pastor, I officially take a non-stance, because it cones down to personal conviction. Regardless though, every believing student is under mandate to "make disciples".<br /><br />As the leader of my home, my conviction is somewhat flexible. We homeschool our dogs, and we will (someday) public school our children (as of now, we have none.)train reck.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16587136329375925755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-49226561961431923492009-06-17T19:39:09.230-07:002009-06-17T19:39:09.230-07:00Anonymous...(who are you, chicken..haha..kidding)
...Anonymous...(who are you, chicken..haha..kidding)<br /><br />I am going to answer each of your questions so you can see where I am coming from...<br /><br /><i>You: 1) "A soldier that is only trained and never allowed to enter war, does not really know how to fight."<br /><br />How about "A soldier that is never trained but only allowed to enter war, will probably die." </i><br /><br /><b>Me: Yeah..that would suck...again remember that as a public school, or a private school parent we will be doing and do a ton of training at home, like all Christian parents should. You are describing a really crappy parent. Almost a "here ya go...have fun, hope you don't get hurt!"</b><br /><br /><i>You: (2)"When the FBI studies how to spot a fake dollar, they spend more time examining the real thing than all the counterfeits."<br /><br />Then why should the child spend all of his or her time reading inaccurate, evolutionary and secular textbooks instead of ones that teach the truth? </i><br /><br /><b>Me: Again...you are acting as though all their time is spent at some sort of Nazi camp. Are secular math books wrong? Most of what they read is not the opposite of Christianity...are there some? Yes of course...but it's not like they are consumed with it and it's not like they are not trained at home through the Bible for a correct understanding of biblical and godly concepts. Few subjects are in direct opposition to Christianity...especially in the early ages of school. But, again...they aren't reading Darwin or Nietzsche all day. And, to be honest, it's not like the homeschool parent is reading the Bible all day or teaching on creation. Just saying...</b><br /><br /><br /><i>You:(3)At young age at least, homeschooling makes more sense in that the parent isn't battling to raise the child with the correct values and doctrine. Note this is a different "battle" that what you mentioned in your post, Seth. Playing spiritual and educational tug-'o'-war daily with the child has no observable benefits. </i><br /><br /><b>Me: It might make more sense for your family, if that is how you are living out the mission God has given you for his glory...this doesn't mean that it makes more sense for my family...<br /><br />Honestly...the battle is worth it. I spend much more time with my children than the school or my local church. I teach and train them so that when those things are presented they understand how to respond, and if they don't I am there and my wife is there to support them. <br /><br />And, at a young age, children depend on their parents and listen to them as though they are gods...that's why if a parent doesn't teach the child the reasons of why of their faith (which can happen with any type of schooling), the kid turns into a teenager and rebels against their parents thoughts and ideals...<br /></b><br /><br />Hope this helps...<br /><br />And yes, I value those who have gone before me and "been there done that", but I also question all that wisdom according to the bible and test that wisdom with others that I know...<br /><br />Thanks for the comments, I appreciate them.Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-73889358553406514162009-06-17T19:19:18.736-07:002009-06-17T19:19:18.736-07:00Izzy.
I have actually spoken to someone who has do...Izzy.<br />I have actually spoken to someone who has done extensive research on the ages of children and the ability for kids to grab abstract understandings of biblical topics starts for most kids at the age of 4 or 5...this mom is actually one who has both homeschooled and public school...so I have done some research on this understanding...again...probably different depending on the child.Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-2628596328723696292009-06-17T18:27:33.629-07:002009-06-17T18:27:33.629-07:00Just a thought! Along with bible knowledge, would...Just a thought! Along with bible knowledge, would you say that true life experiance also provides knowledge? And should it carry any weight? When I was teaching in the public schools, young teachers would sometimes advise parents (as the experts) on how to raise their children but they had never raised children and many times had idealistic theories that they were sure of about how things SHOULD be done. Some of us teachers whom had raised children would just smile, we had the wisdom of experiance behind us. Does this kind of wisdom carry any weight with you Seth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-62597539886639549702009-06-17T17:24:05.973-07:002009-06-17T17:24:05.973-07:00http://mikedurland-reallife.blogspot.com/2009/03/w...http://mikedurland-reallife.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-i-homeschool.html<br /><br /><br /><br />I am finished here...Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-60001586423189565422009-06-17T16:47:06.687-07:002009-06-17T16:47:06.687-07:00Three comments:
(1)
"A soldier that is only...Three comments:<br /><br />(1) <br />"A soldier that is only trained and never allowed to enter war, does not really know how to fight."<br /><br />How about "A soldier that is never trained but only allowed to enter war, will probably die." <br /><br />(2)<br />"When the FBI studies how to spot a fake dollar, they spend more time examining the real thing than all the counterfeits."<br /><br />Then why should the child spend all of his or her time reading inaccurate, evolutionary and secular textbooks instead of ones that teach the truth? <br /><br />(3)<br />At young age at least, homeschooling makes more sense in that the parent isn't battling to raise the child with the correct values and doctrine. Note this is a different "battle" that what you mentioned in your post, Seth. Playing spiritual and educational tug-'o'-war daily with the child has no observable benefits.<br /><br /><br />This is all I'll say, lest it go into triple overtime. No one wants that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-66820652822029118782009-06-17T16:32:56.774-07:002009-06-17T16:32:56.774-07:00Sorry I missed your backwards phrase that only app...Sorry I missed your backwards phrase that only appears once in the entire Bible. …earnestly contend… <br /><br />here is a good article that can educate you a little about "public schools" <br /><br />"This system(before public schools), or lack of it, produced a highly literate population that could read the Federalist Papers, the King James Version of the Bible, and everything else that was published. All one has to do is read a Farmer's Journal of those early days to realize the high level of literacy that was enjoyed by the general population in America prior to the advent of the public schools."...<br /><br />"That is why more and more parents are beginning to realize that the public schools are not interested in education but in social change and social control. A government education system is basically incompatible with the values of a free society. Eventually, one or the other must go." http://www.home-school.com/Articles/phs30-samblumenfeld.htmlMikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-58889962124478001332009-06-17T16:15:02.755-07:002009-06-17T16:15:02.755-07:00@McBee, the reality is that school aged children c...@McBee, the reality is that school aged children cannot think as critically as you assert. They need years to establish a good foundation for themselves. Being tossed into a large classroom with other people with different values and motivations confuses children. They tend to want to "fit in" and disregard who they really are in order to be "accepted". I want my child to preserve who he is… who he was born to be. The public school teacher is not going to care about your child as much as you do…<br />Actually I am quite surprised that "Christians" would defend secular public schools, they have the potential to instill long lasting (life long?) damage to a child's character. Just look at this "Christian" nation (USA) and how wretched it has become.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-73729687522467092152009-06-17T15:39:36.860-07:002009-06-17T15:39:36.860-07:00Izzy.
You get negativity when you call me an uncom...Izzy.<br />You get negativity when you call me an uncommitted parent who is copping out. <br /><br />You see it as negative because I am trying to show why as a Christian I am not uncommitted or copping out, but trying to live on the mission that God has given my family. <br /><br />That's not negativity, but a response to your sweeping claims. <br /><br />Again...not sure if you are a Christian or not...not sure if you try to live for the glory of God above all else, so it makes it hard to comment to you personally. <br /><br />Homeschooling might be the best for YOUR family...and I would agree if you are choosing it based on the glory of God, but to say that it is the best for every family is quite interesting seeing that the Bible never states how one should school their children. Ever.<br /><br />Again though...I am not sure if you are a Christian, but if you are and you live for anything or do anything that isn't God first...then that is concerning. <br /><br />Contend Earnestly is taken from Jude 3 by the way...sorry you didn't notice that before. (not knocking you, but sincerely sorry you didn't notice that this was first and foremost a blog on how to live out theology practically)Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-4041909095119854292009-06-17T15:31:41.874-07:002009-06-17T15:31:41.874-07:00Contend =argue
earnestly= sincerely
I am stati...Contend =argue <br />earnestly= sincerely <br /><br />I am stating my argument sincerely. My argument is that homeschooling is the best option for today's parent. Especially if you value Christian principles.<br /><br />Apparently none exist here considering all I am getting is negativity.. <br /><br />Why should a Christian educate their children? It seems to go against their own teachings on so many levels.<br /><br />"For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."<br />Ecclesiastes 1-18Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-10180026069941918182009-06-17T15:12:21.205-07:002009-06-17T15:12:21.205-07:00Izzy...
That's why it's called "Cont...Izzy...<br /><br />That's why it's called "Contend Earnestly"...I don't contend earnestly for education...I contend earnestly for the glory of God. <br /><br />Everything else, including education, falls under that. <br /><br />Sorry, you didn't catch that right away.Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-64765881198919859112009-06-17T15:11:00.697-07:002009-06-17T15:11:00.697-07:00Izzy.
The reason I say that it is naive...which I ...Izzy.<br />The reason I say that it is naive...which I will get into on my common misconceptions post is that the school actually doesn't even get close to the amount of time with the children as the parents do. It's actually 84000 hours vs 14000 hours. <br /><br />To think that just because the child is elsewhere means that they are going to then become just like that person, then why ever let them out of your site? A committed parent, trains their child well so that when they are away from them, no matter the amount of time, the child can think critically and not blindly. <br /><br />That's the difference between having your child ask and know "why" instead of just knowing information and repeating it. <br /><br />As far as why I ask if you are a Christian is because there is a disconnect between Christianity and everything else. I could care less about your sex or race, as far as this discussion goes. <br /><br />You state that it is imperative that we "know thyself" first so that we can know others is not Christian. Christians are told to deny self and know Christ. <br /><br />So, while this might seem right to you, from a biblical standpoint, it is quite the opposite to what the Creator speaks of. <br /><br />Your comment on saying that I am copping out and non-committed to my child is a very foolish statement. My commitment to my children is to raise them to glorify God in everything and above all things and sending them to a public school does not negate that. Just because one's conviction on schooling is different than yours does not equate it to you are some sort of super parent and I am a quasi sociological child abuser. <br /><br />I just don't follow how you can equate homeschooling with commitment...it can be, but not necessarily. Same with public school, as Becky pointed out. The public school parent can allow for the school to take over and raise their child, but not necessary. Same thing happens in many things...whether it is church, school, sports, etc. <br /><br />Thanks for the interaction, but I would say to come up with outlandish sweeps against parents, you might want to consider more logical arguments first. <br /><br />Schooling does not equal committed or non-committed parent and schooling does not equal incompetent or competent child. Many factors are involved and it usually starts with the focus of the home.Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-46688307525875110262009-06-17T15:02:29.729-07:002009-06-17T15:02:29.729-07:00It seems like this blog has NOTHING to do with edu...It seems like this blog has NOTHING to do with education, only religious views.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-67312344827705425032009-06-17T14:58:29.344-07:002009-06-17T14:58:29.344-07:00@McBee- why is it naïve? Public school children sp...@McBee- why is it naïve? Public school children spend more time with other people than they do with their parents. School aged children are easily malleable by peers and teachers. <br />As far as lack of commitment, this is obvious in today's society; people are disconnected from their own children on so many levels. Sooo.. why is it naïve?<br /><br />What does it matter what religion I am… I half expect your next question to include my race/sex or national origin.<br /><br />I am a father… a dedicated father.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-86399396722537121102009-06-17T13:11:19.339-07:002009-06-17T13:11:19.339-07:00Izzy:
I don't believe social skills are the po...Izzy:<br />I don't believe social skills are the point here. Instead, it's about God's glory. How can He be most glorified in the context of a family's situation. As a former homeschooler, I can testify that this can be accomplished in a variety of ways (homeschool, private school, and public school).<br /><br />If you notice the parental involvement that Seth describes above, it is not the "lack of commitment to your child" that you mention. In order for public school parents to stay actively involved in their child's training, it takes a lot of effort. You can send your child to public school solely for babysitting purposes, but if Jesus is a parent's motivation this will not be the case.Beckyhttp://rstewart.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-83348848521619028082009-06-17T12:56:50.018-07:002009-06-17T12:56:50.018-07:00Izzy.
Your comment is very naive when you say that...Izzy.<br />Your comment is very naive when you say that my child will be raised by teachers and peers and is a lack of commitment. <br /><br />Let me ask, are you a Christian? <br /><br />I'll hold off until I find out your answer to this question.Seth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-42796017290312113632009-06-17T12:08:37.605-07:002009-06-17T12:08:37.605-07:00In my experience, home school has an all out benef...In my experience, home school has an all out benefit to my son's social skills, not a detriment. When I compare his behavior to his cousins, (they were more or less raised by peers in public schools) he is able to interact confidently with a wider range of people.<br /><br />Like the ancient Greek aphorism "Know Thyself", I think my son knows himself. It is easier to socialize, be competitive and have meaningful relationships if you first "Know Thyself". It is very hard for children to achieve this in most public schools ( in the USA at least).<br /><br />Raising a child the right way requires a level of commitment that is higher than any public school can achieve… and YES, children are raised by teachers and peers at the school; the parents become estranged over the years.<br /><br />Excuses for not homeschooling are just a lack of commitment (copout?) to your child. Period.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06576849279643762972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-8795062069801872952009-06-17T11:41:27.828-07:002009-06-17T11:41:27.828-07:00Jamie...brutal and a little funny.
Josh...
That&...Jamie...brutal and a little funny.<br /><br />Josh...<br /><br />That's why the parent doesn't just play defense, awaiting what will be said that is wrong, but always playing offense as well and focusing their family on the truth of the Cross. <br /><br />That's why good counterfeit dollar bills work so well and why the devil is so amazing at what he does...a little error. Parents need to know this and always be ready, along with the child. <br /><br />Thanks for the commentSeth McBeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08765679934165890595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-86868060890346074012009-06-17T11:37:56.858-07:002009-06-17T11:37:56.858-07:00I would suggest that there is actually and underly...I would suggest that there is actually and underlying unity in thought that is probably a bigger threat than the diversity. It is difficult to combat because it is subtle and seems objective, but there is a humanist thread through most all curriculum.<br /><br />It isn't really the crazy teacher that is the threat. They are much too obvious. It is the subtle "not wrong, but not quite right" underlying philosophy that is the real threat. <br /><br />The problem with confronting this issue is that it is 90 percent right. When you fuss about the 10% you seem mighty picky. And everyone else in their life sees the 90% as 100% and gives them high praise for it. But the 10% that is missing is the Cornerstone. It is very difficult to add the cornerstone after you realize that it is missing.Josh Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15473434889729586478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-27391906.post-26279895087024502302009-06-17T11:15:04.821-07:002009-06-17T11:15:04.821-07:00I agree with your points for both pros and cons. O...I agree with your points for both pros and cons. On a side note, my 9th grade science teacher told us the goal of life was to "spread your seed" (reproduce) as much as possible to ensure our genes passed on to future generations. He also told us Christmas lights were killing the earth. I still got an A!Jamie Husonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377982266395159627noreply@blogger.com